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Poster: midnight sun Date: Feb 18, 2010 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: BIG Deal jams...

first modal Deal jam i could find occurred 9/25/80 (first Bird Song in 7 years, also the day John Bonham died) so it looks like you early era neanderthals are cut out of the deck on this one (just kidding of course)


http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-10-17.sbd.miller.27585.sbeok.flacf



[[[The Herb Brooks Arena, known as the Olympic Center until 2005, is a 7,700-seat multi-purpose arena in Lake Placid, New York. The arena hosted various events during the 1980 Winter Olympics, most famously the ice hockey tournament that saw the United States's 4–3 victory over the Soviet Union, the game commonly referred to as the Miracle on Ice. In 2005, to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the American victory, both the arena and the rink itself were renamed in honor of the 1980 team; the arena was named after the late Herb Brooks, who coached United States team during the 1980 Olympics, and the rink was redubbed as 1980 Rink.]]] - Wiki

http://media.photobucket.com/image/herb%20brooks%20arena/VintageMinnesotaHockey/Olympic%20Hockey%20Photos/LakePlacid.jpg

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Feb 18, 2010 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I always enjoyed the Cumberland>Deal one two

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1988-04-01.sbd.miller.91160.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 19, 2010 11:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I forgot about this one. Very interesting and goes to many levels with the participation of marsalis and BH.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd91-09-10.sbd.sacks.511.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: pat8track Date: Feb 19, 2010 5:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

my ist show started gimmie some lovin'>deal HANDJIVE1. not the best jammed but i don't think anyone could have predicted that. 3-23-86 spectrum. no seats on the flloor way up close thanks bill gold whereever you are.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Feb 19, 2010 5:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-08-27.aud.hinko.16439.sbeok.shnf

This Deal will do untold damage to any and all items in the near vicinity.

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Feb 18, 2010 5:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

the best Deal jams are as follows: 11-17-1978 (old school style), 03-20-1981, 02-09-1986, 06-21-1989, 07-19-1989, 10-16-1989 89 was the best year for Deal, without a doubt...

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 18, 2010 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

7-4-89 ain't bad either.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Feb 18, 2010 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

one of my favorites is the summer solstice show from 89

ripping version with a bonus jam to boot. clocks in at 10 plus minutes

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-06-21.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83718.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: barongsong Date: Feb 18, 2010 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I'll second that one especially since I was there too.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 18, 2010 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I think most of us here tend to agree that - as real Dead-Heads - we initially tend to gravitate towards shows that we attended. Having said that, I'm cut from this deck, and I'll go with the hand I'm dealt. I'll see your Oly Center 10/17/1983 miracle show - and, I'll raise you one of my own. Why not a Jerry Moore fob beauty? We have Jer's b'day coming up for the 2nd set. See my review.

Roosevelt Stadium beauty on 7/31/1973

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Poster: cush212 Date: Feb 19, 2010 9:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I'm guessing you liked this one ;)

As to reviews whether you attended or not, a very good show may not necessarily be a very good recording!...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 19, 2010 5:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

"I think most of us here tend to agree that - as real Dead-Heads - we initially tend to gravitate towards shows that we attended."

Does that mean that people who never attended a show can't be a real deadhead? I think those that found that band too late or are too young to have seen the band yet still become addicted to this music are as real a dead-head as someone who taped shows in the '70s. I can only speak for myself but I never considered myself a deadhead when the band was around. Had tapes and went to a few shows even dragged my wife to some. When I discovered this place in 2005 it made me a deadhead because I didn't gravitate toward the shows I attended (all in the '90s). I did initially focus on shows that I had on tape from the '80s (i collected and listen to tapes for almost 6 years before attending a concert) but soon branched out to other eras and sounds and by hanging out on this forum initially as a lurker than as an active participant learned so many things I never new about the band. I don't think my experience is that unique.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Feb 19, 2010 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

"I think most of us here tend to agree that - as real Dead-Heads - we initially tend to gravitate towards shows that we attended."

When I discovered LMA in 2005, I was actually repulsed by listening to the shows that I had attended. I dont see how the fact that I attended them makes them any better than they are. There's just too much jamming archived here to listen to that stuff. Guess I'm not a real Dead-Head ;)

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Feb 19, 2010 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

when i stumbled on the archive in dec. 2005, the first show i went to was 2/14/68, and pretty much stayed within '68 & '69 the first several months; i had no interest in much else and definitely no interest in the shows i attended

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Poster: warpHrat Date: Feb 19, 2010 7:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

for me (22 years later) it was this >

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-09-02.fob.beyerm160.vlenihan.103181.sbeok.flac16

the killer deal

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 19, 2010 6:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I think the one reason that people do go back and listen to the shows they attended is because of what is in their mind's eye. It can help them relive the experience. I will occasionally listen to one show I attended in 1990 (7-16-90) and I think about the friends I was with and the whole experience of that road trip. I am sure that it biases my opinion about the quality of that show. The reviews at this site are polluted with "I was there and it rocked" regardless of the quality of the sound or music. I am not saying that being there wasn't great, but objectively I know that after listening to some of the shows that I loved being at, they weren't actually all that good.

What I struggle with is the idea of reliving the show through someone else's eye. I have great memories of Buffalo that hot summer July day. I can't imagine how watching it would enhance those memories. To me its the difference between listening to music, which stirs up the memories and watching a concert, which may change them ("damn jerry looked A LOT worse than I remembered"). My feelings are pretty consistent on this, we didn't video tape our wedding and i never taped the kids stuff we simply lived the events.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 19, 2010 8:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...Smug posters vs Reviewers

Reviews vs "interest" in shows attended is an important component here. But first, I had no idea so many of the fine posters hear agree with me (no offense Monty--your observation makes sense on another level: folks may just look up "their" shows as a matter of pride, curiosity, etc., etc., rather than actually feeling "these are BEST" or some such). Those that provide uncritical, 5 star ratings for just having gone to a show are what strike me odd.

I have droned on many times about NOT agreeing with GoP (sorry, geezer, but you have been the one to often mention "it's only natural we review shows we attended highly"...right? I think you say this cause you went to the good ones, you BASTARD!, and may be self deprecating out of guilt), but thought I was the only one.

Now, having read so many others above mentioning this, I think it safe to say, many of the posters, not necessarily REVIEWERS, are NOT inclined to rate the shows they went to as all 5 star...rather, most them, not being the fossil GoP, have tended to come around to thinking there are probably a lot more 5 star shows from the early era (say, first 15 yrs) than the latter era, period.

So, all of this is to say, most posters pontificating hereabouts are not necessarily early era fanatics like me, and perhaps even happy to yell out, "I love all 30 yrs!", but when it comes to reviewing shows and in general "critiquing", objective enough to pick them on performance not attendance.

That also addresses, in part, how we posters are somehow different than the reviewers, and of course, just how much better we are...there, would you really want a PM that couldn't take four paragraphs to end up telling you that you really are as good as you think you are?

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2010 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

"I think most of us here tend to agree that - as real Dead-Heads - we initially tend to gravitate towards shows that we attended. "

I was speaking for myself, of course. And I was jabbing at Midnight Sun's reference to the 80s.

I thought people who love the 80s and 90s shows so much are saying so largely because they attended them. I never attended any of these shows. I apologize if I offended anyone w/ my Dead-Head comment. It was not an attack. Nor was it intended to be offensive.

I also like String Cheese Incident, as well as many other bands. I listen to a few SCI shows, but I'm not a Cheese-Head. I've never been to an SCI show. And I'm not a music critic either. Most of the few reviews I've written here do suffer from extreme bias. But I do enjoy conversations about live music, jamming, great sound, incredible players, and notable bands.

There is so much else I don't know. The history we have is remarkable, and much of it remains to be shared. Many people express great interest in this history. Some people remain critical of this, as they want to see more recordings released.

In my mind, I was a "real" Dead-Head for one year. That's when I was going to shows. But, I've always liked their music alot. The GD culture is another thing. That changed my life. I don't pretend to know anything about other people's GD habits or state of mind. The Internet Archive is an interesting place to visit. It gives me peace of mind that I was able to make a small contribution here. It's that simple.

I know.... I know.... silence is golden. Peace.

elbow -- That's a great point you make about "reliving the show through someone else's eye."

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Feb 19, 2010 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

hey Monte, wanted to listen to 7/31/73 before responding but as you can imagine i'm up to my neck in Deal's...


attending a show obviously makes a person aware that a show exists and almost always meant having a recording of it, the same way as having a tape of a non-attended show back in the day...along with Placid, Vansterdam 6/22/73 (aud) was also one of my favs (how ironic would it have been had you attended Van 73 and declared it YOUR fav attended along with Placid your fav 80's!)

shit, i attended 7/4/86, 7/19/87, and 8/26/88 (to name a few) but you never see me patch a link to any of those

since discovering the archive in 2004 i've been totally overloaded with sensory input, can't even remember 10% of what i just listened to in the last month, but i won't likely forget the 100 or so tapes i listened to the previous 22 years

i genuinely prefer the 80's, i'm definitely listening from a theoretical standpoint of Jerry's musical development, ignoring the overall shortfalls of the entire band (incl Jer) i can still appreciate what others dig form the 60's and 70's, for example, that 10/30/68 M&HB's clip from the Further site sparked my interest (good find Cliff!) how often do you hear a rock quartet from the 60's with 2 drummists???


there is no superior anything with the Dead, and this Deal thread proves i can't possibly compare renditions of even a single song that are so vastly different, but i for one am having the time of my musical life caught up in the discovery with the help of so many super refined keen ears...and i'm nowhere near Dealing 1989 yet!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2010 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

My post was silly in this thread. Midnight Sun, you and I know why I posted my remarks in this thread.

You plugged the Lake Placid show.

Only 1 hour and 15 minutes earlier, I had just mentioned the '83 Lake Placid show to you, in a post responding to you. It's right here. No excuse for me - I'm a Sugaree junkie.

Sugaree is played perfectly — I've mentioned this show many times

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Feb 19, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

been thinking of starting a Deal thread featuring that link for a while now, you's the catalyst, good man (those 80's haities also helped, however unwittingly...)


ringolevio nailed it a few weeks back;
"I don't think you were being hostile, I just think it's interesting."

:)

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2010 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

Go for it. My 1st "Deal" thread was posted on this forum on Jan 12, 2008...

Is "Deal" considered top-40? I feel it's a showcase tune for the Dead. I'm sensitive to bands being loved-to-death, and always pressed to perform the favorites, leading up to burn-out. The Forum here was just discussing this issue in the "Jerry Question." Fact is I also have a passionate fondness for Deal. Like Sugaree and some other tunes, I've enjoyed the boys performing these stellar classics in their extended versions during later years.

When I examine a Dead show on LMA I look at the setlist first. I'll sample a few tunes selectively. Which ones depends on what year. Best Deal I found thus far (early years version) is this sbd from Live at Assembly Hall, Univ. of Il. on 1973-02-22. Anybody know any outrageous Deal performances here on LMA?

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Poster: warpHrat Date: Feb 19, 2010 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

Got any smoke cowboy ?

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Feb 19, 2010 11:39am
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that pic is from The Deliverance movie

the famous title track gets played pretty well in this MP3 smoke
Jim & Jesse McReynolds and The Virginia Boys perform it for Calif hippies

Dueling Banjos - Marin County Bluegrass Festival in 1974

if you wanna smoke a bowl
get off The Turnpike at exit 340 and go for it
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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 19, 2010 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I don't think you meant to be offensive to anyone so need to apologize. I think its great that there are people here who never attended a show or maybe only 1 show and I wanted to make sure they understood that passion for the music isn't judged by how many shows you attended or which era you attended them. I think SDH is right though, this place does also provide a bit of that parking lot feel to add to the experience.

I had very little experience with '70s material when I found this place and 6-10-73 was one of the first shows I sampled. You're familiar with this show, correct?

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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Feb 18, 2010 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

I'm surprised no one has mentioned 84-06-30

Good FOB:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-06-30.aud.set1.cole.18559.sbeok.shnf

SBD, if that's your flavor:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd84-06-30.sbd.partial.finney.2542.sbeok.shnf

This one is a near 10 minute towering behemoth! A few lyrical flubs and Jerry isn't in the best voice but he much more than makes up for it with his playing, a must listen if you love Deal.

Agree with the '89 picks above, a great year for Deal. Also the Jerry Garcia Band version on their eponymous live album from 1990 is excellent though I don't know what the date is. All I can say is its a spring show at the Warfield, perhaps someone who's got more JGB info can chime in.

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Feb 19, 2010 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

Good ear man this is my favorite also.

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Poster: CatfishBomb Date: Feb 19, 2010 9:53am
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Some of the 87 Lunt-Fontanne Deals were pretty rockin'

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Poster: gumby69 Date: Feb 19, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

10-17-83 was my favorite till I heard this one:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-05-01.sbd.hinko.29087.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: snori Date: Feb 18, 2010 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

This one's a personal favourite - the second solo just lifts you out of your seat, spins you round, and leaves you flat on your face on the carpet. http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-28.fm.hanno.deepelem.fix-3306.22802.sbeok.flac16

This post was modified by snori on 2010-02-18 23:56:03

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Feb 18, 2010 5:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: BIG Deal jams...

neanderthals? I prefer curmudgeon!

I definitely think Deal was a great first set closer.